MARSHALL: Oh yes; he'd spend time with anybody. Said if it was OK for Jesus, it
was OK for him. Thornley didn't like Christianity, but he didn't hate Jesus. But I
don't know he ever paid anybody. Even seasoned prostitutes would have sex with
him for free. With him it wasn't a job, it was an adventure. (Laughs).
The Whore of Babylon was one of his favorite characters. Babylon was the most
reviled city in the Bible, and whoredom the most reviled occupation. Naturally
Thornley liked that. She's mentioned by one name or another in a lot of his writing.
Shea and Wilson used her too, only they called her Eris. (The Illuminatus! Trilogy
features multiple aspects of Eris Discordia.--P.H.)
HILDE: Some say there's a relationship between the Bible's--or the
Discordians'--Whore of Babylon and Peter Pan's friend Wendy of Neverland.
MARSHALL: Peter Pan? Never heard that.
HILDE: In the original story, Peter Pan is a peeping Tom who sneaks into the
preteen or young teen Wendy's bedroom where she tries to seduce him. Alan
Moore brought Alice of Wonderland, Dorothy of Oz and Wendy of Neverland
together in a porno-graphic novel called Lost Girls. And The Illuminatus! Trilogy
mentions all three of them. Do you know about Minnie Rae?
MARSHALL: Yeah, haven't seen her in a long, long time. I think she got killed.
HILDE: You knew someone named Minnie Rae? I was talking about a preteen
prostitute who traveled to England and met J. M. Barrie, who probably used her as
a model for Wendy. She traveled there from San Francisco where she knew
Emperor Joshua Norton, who claimed to be president of the United States and
protector of Mexico. He called her "The Little Countess."
MARSHALL: I know who you're talking about. I was there, remember? No, not in
Norton's time; don't mean that. That was back in the 1860s; I'm not that old
(Laughs). The one I saw was in New Orleans in the 1960s. Minnie Rae was a New
Orleans stripper who claimed to be Emperor Norton's Minnie Rae reincarnated.
She usually called herself "Kitty."
There's several who claimed to be her; some even named themselves after Minnie
Rae. There was a Mimi Ray back in the 40s; I think she danced at the Casino
Royale.
HILDE: The Discordian St. Mae named herself after her too. You mean the Casino
Royale of James Bond?
MARSHALL: No; the real Casino Royale was in New Orleans' French Quarter--it
existed before James Bond. And you know who got everything shut down, got rid of
anything that wasn't "pure and wholesome" on Bourbon Street? District Attorney
Jim Garrison. The same man who drove Thornley mad with his so-called Kennedy
assassination investigation. If The Agents of Greyface had a patron saint, it would
be Garrison.
HILDE: I'd like to hear more about Garrison later. You said there were more
reincarnations of Minnie Rae?
MARSHALL: I don't believe in reincarnation; I'm a Christian Erisian, remember?
The original Minnie Rae claimed to be the reincarnated Whore of Babylon, so
that's where it began. Now Aria Giovanni claims to be Minnie Rae too. Her or that
other Italian model; can't remember her name.
HILDE: Is that where you met Kerry Thornley, in New Orleans?
MARSHALL: No. I went there for Mardi Gras. I already knew him; he asked me to
come. By the time I got there he was ready to leave. Thornley was always going
somewhere but never really arriving. Always on the go, meeting new people, doing
new things, writing new sheets. Later on he'd stay in one place longer, but not
when he was younger. If he let himself get established then and sold his work he
could have made a decent living like Hill did. But if you couldn't afford what he
wrote, he'd sell it to you cheap, or give it to you free. Writing to him was like sex.
Free for everybody.
HILDE: Where did you meet Thornley?
MARSHALL: Northern California; somebody introduced us. Oh, of course, Hill did.
HILDE: Greg Hill introduced you to Kerry Thornley? Was that in a Whittier bowling
alley?
MARSHALL: No. It was in a bar in San Francisco; don't think it's there anymore.
We drank a lot of beer. I told you last time Discordia didn't appear to them in a
bowling alley in Whittier; they made that up. It started in the Bay Area, and the bar
was near Minna Street, named after Minnie Rae, probably. Might have been on it.
A lot of streets in that part of town were named after prostitutes. In the early days
the city was filled with lonely men, some with a lot of money from the Gold Rush
and no wives or families to spend it on, so prostitutes were treated well and made
a good living.
HILDE: Did you know Kerry's family?
MARSHALL: Met the Mrs. once, I think at a party; saw his kids a couple of times.
HILDE: His kids? I though he only had one child, a son named Kreg.
MARSHALL: Had a son and a daughter. Son was his wife's, Cara's; don't know
who the girl's mother was.
HILDE: Do you remember the girl's name?
MARSHALL. No.
was OK for him. Thornley didn't like Christianity, but he didn't hate Jesus. But I
don't know he ever paid anybody. Even seasoned prostitutes would have sex with
him for free. With him it wasn't a job, it was an adventure. (Laughs).
The Whore of Babylon was one of his favorite characters. Babylon was the most
reviled city in the Bible, and whoredom the most reviled occupation. Naturally
Thornley liked that. She's mentioned by one name or another in a lot of his writing.
Shea and Wilson used her too, only they called her Eris. (The Illuminatus! Trilogy
features multiple aspects of Eris Discordia.--P.H.)
HILDE: Some say there's a relationship between the Bible's--or the
Discordians'--Whore of Babylon and Peter Pan's friend Wendy of Neverland.
MARSHALL: Peter Pan? Never heard that.
HILDE: In the original story, Peter Pan is a peeping Tom who sneaks into the
preteen or young teen Wendy's bedroom where she tries to seduce him. Alan
Moore brought Alice of Wonderland, Dorothy of Oz and Wendy of Neverland
together in a porno-graphic novel called Lost Girls. And The Illuminatus! Trilogy
mentions all three of them. Do you know about Minnie Rae?
MARSHALL: Yeah, haven't seen her in a long, long time. I think she got killed.
HILDE: You knew someone named Minnie Rae? I was talking about a preteen
prostitute who traveled to England and met J. M. Barrie, who probably used her as
a model for Wendy. She traveled there from San Francisco where she knew
Emperor Joshua Norton, who claimed to be president of the United States and
protector of Mexico. He called her "The Little Countess."
MARSHALL: I know who you're talking about. I was there, remember? No, not in
Norton's time; don't mean that. That was back in the 1860s; I'm not that old
(Laughs). The one I saw was in New Orleans in the 1960s. Minnie Rae was a New
Orleans stripper who claimed to be Emperor Norton's Minnie Rae reincarnated.
She usually called herself "Kitty."
There's several who claimed to be her; some even named themselves after Minnie
Rae. There was a Mimi Ray back in the 40s; I think she danced at the Casino
Royale.
HILDE: The Discordian St. Mae named herself after her too. You mean the Casino
Royale of James Bond?
MARSHALL: No; the real Casino Royale was in New Orleans' French Quarter--it
existed before James Bond. And you know who got everything shut down, got rid of
anything that wasn't "pure and wholesome" on Bourbon Street? District Attorney
Jim Garrison. The same man who drove Thornley mad with his so-called Kennedy
assassination investigation. If The Agents of Greyface had a patron saint, it would
be Garrison.
HILDE: I'd like to hear more about Garrison later. You said there were more
reincarnations of Minnie Rae?
MARSHALL: I don't believe in reincarnation; I'm a Christian Erisian, remember?
The original Minnie Rae claimed to be the reincarnated Whore of Babylon, so
that's where it began. Now Aria Giovanni claims to be Minnie Rae too. Her or that
other Italian model; can't remember her name.
HILDE: Is that where you met Kerry Thornley, in New Orleans?
MARSHALL: No. I went there for Mardi Gras. I already knew him; he asked me to
come. By the time I got there he was ready to leave. Thornley was always going
somewhere but never really arriving. Always on the go, meeting new people, doing
new things, writing new sheets. Later on he'd stay in one place longer, but not
when he was younger. If he let himself get established then and sold his work he
could have made a decent living like Hill did. But if you couldn't afford what he
wrote, he'd sell it to you cheap, or give it to you free. Writing to him was like sex.
Free for everybody.
HILDE: Where did you meet Thornley?
MARSHALL: Northern California; somebody introduced us. Oh, of course, Hill did.
HILDE: Greg Hill introduced you to Kerry Thornley? Was that in a Whittier bowling
alley?
MARSHALL: No. It was in a bar in San Francisco; don't think it's there anymore.
We drank a lot of beer. I told you last time Discordia didn't appear to them in a
bowling alley in Whittier; they made that up. It started in the Bay Area, and the bar
was near Minna Street, named after Minnie Rae, probably. Might have been on it.
A lot of streets in that part of town were named after prostitutes. In the early days
the city was filled with lonely men, some with a lot of money from the Gold Rush
and no wives or families to spend it on, so prostitutes were treated well and made
a good living.
HILDE: Did you know Kerry's family?
MARSHALL: Met the Mrs. once, I think at a party; saw his kids a couple of times.
HILDE: His kids? I though he only had one child, a son named Kreg.
MARSHALL: Had a son and a daughter. Son was his wife's, Cara's; don't know
who the girl's mother was.
HILDE: Do you remember the girl's name?
MARSHALL. No.
This is kerry thornley dot com, a site about kerry wendell thornley aka lord omar khayyam ravenhurst, co-conspirator with gregory hill aka greg hill aka
malaclypse the younger, contributor to principia discordia, worker on operation mindfuck, investigated by im garrison, friend of robert anton wilson and
robert shea, supposed co-assassin of president john f. kennedy, and fnord
malaclypse the younger, contributor to principia discordia, worker on operation mindfuck, investigated by im garrison, friend of robert anton wilson and
robert shea, supposed co-assassin of president john f. kennedy, and fnord
| An Interview with Richard Marshall November 23, 2009 by Pope Hilde |
| This is part C of the second of a series of three interviews with original Erisian Richard Marshall conducted by Pope Hilde. We have them all. |
| PART C |
While Kerry Thornley, Robert
Shea and Robert Anton
Wilson may have known of the
possible Minnie Rae-Wendy
connection, Alan Moore said
he was fascinated by the idea,
but was unaware of it when he
wrote Lost Girls.
Shea and Robert Anton
Wilson may have known of the
possible Minnie Rae-Wendy
connection, Alan Moore said
he was fascinated by the idea,
but was unaware of it when he
wrote Lost Girls.
Thornley's daughter may have
been Marion Zabriskie, daughter of
Grace Zabriskie. Kerry apparently
had either a short or prolonged
affair with Grace, who played Sara
Palmer on the television show
Twin Peaks. There are several
Discordian connections between
the program said to be one of the
weirdest and most mind-blowing in
the history of television and
Discordia.
Adam Gorightly, author of The
Prankster and the Conspiracy,
spoke of the possible connection
in Voices of Chaos, a series of
interviews by Timothy Bowen with
Adam Gorightly, Reverend
Loveshade, Chaplin IM False,
KSC, Spratzaman Rojas, Peter
Carroll, The Discordian Society,
LOB, Rev.Dr. Jon Swabey,
BOB001, Rev. Ivan Stang, Rev. St.
Syn KSC, JHESFC, and Beatus
Ffungo.
been Marion Zabriskie, daughter of
Grace Zabriskie. Kerry apparently
had either a short or prolonged
affair with Grace, who played Sara
Palmer on the television show
Twin Peaks. There are several
Discordian connections between
the program said to be one of the
weirdest and most mind-blowing in
the history of television and
Discordia.
Adam Gorightly, author of The
Prankster and the Conspiracy,
spoke of the possible connection
in Voices of Chaos, a series of
interviews by Timothy Bowen with
Adam Gorightly, Reverend
Loveshade, Chaplin IM False,
KSC, Spratzaman Rojas, Peter
Carroll, The Discordian Society,
LOB, Rev.Dr. Jon Swabey,
BOB001, Rev. Ivan Stang, Rev. St.
Syn KSC, JHESFC, and Beatus
Ffungo.
