HILDE: That was originally a British Sci-Fi series, right? They're doing an American
version of it. (The miniseries began airing on AMC on November 15, 2009.--P.H.)
MARSHALL: Yes, with Ian McKellen as Number Two. That's Discordian, you know.
HILDE: Number 2?
MARSHALL: The main character's Number Six, the individual who fights against
the system, always saying "I'm not a number I'm a free man!" Six is five: 2 plus 3 is
5, 2 times 3 is 6.
HILDE: So it's also the Discordian 23. But isn't that stretching it a bit?
MARSHALL: No. You'll see the Law of Fives wherever you look; that's the point--
but it could have been the Law of 6, 7, 8, whatever. For Heller it was "Catch 22."
McGoohan who made the original series knew about Discordianism and the
Illuminati. There's references throughout. Look for them.
HILDE: I think The Prisoner was named a Discordian saint shortly after the actor's
death.
MARSHALL: Doesn't surprise me. McGoohan would have liked that.
HILDE: There's a Discordian book called the Black Iron Prison that says we're all
prisoners trapped in grey walls and it's up to us to do what we will, but we're still in
a perceptual prison.
MARSHALL: That sounds like negatism, hopelessness--what Thornley and Hill
called "Greyface talk." There's a line in one of the books, maybe Summa
Universalia. People lock up themselves in cages because they're afraid of the real
world and then complain because they don't have any freedom. (The quote is also
in Principia Discordia: “Ye have locked yerselves up in cages of fear--and, behold,
do ye now complain that ye lack FREEDOM!”--P.H.)
HILDE: The BIP's not that way. It says our perception is limited, but we can make
what we can out of it.
MARSHALL: Until you reach your level of incompetence.
HILDE: Pardon?
MARSHALL: That's from a book called The Peter Principle. I think I remember it;
"In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence." It's the
idea that if you do a good job, they promote you. But in modern society you get
promoted into something different than what you got promoted for. You keep
getting promoted until you reach your level of incompetence, then you stop. And
whoever promoted you won't put you back to where you were actually useful
because that would mean admitting they made a mistake promoting you.
HILDE: I'll have to look for that. But let's get back to Thornley.
MARSHALL: Thornley knew the concept without reading the book. That's why he
never got on in business. He wanted to do what he did best, even if it meant writing
in his off time while making a meager living washing dishes. Hierachies weren't
made for people like Thornley. Really they weren't made for anybody. Hill got
along with just about anybody, but didn't make as many friends--or enemies.
Thornley people either loved or hated. Women loved him.
HILDE: Speaking of love, he did tend to be sexually active, right?
MARSHALL: Thornley was into sex, yes. He wasn't a sexoholic, he was like a
hungry man enjoying a smörgåsbord, or maybe a potluck, eat whatever you want
for free. The only thing that bothered him about prostitution was that you had to
pay for it.
HILDE: There's a mention in Adam Gorightly's book The Prankster and the
Conspiracy that Louise Lacey said he'd have sex with a rhino if it would let him.
MARSHALL: I bet he would! (Laughs)
HILDE: But the book also says Thornley tried to engage in sexual relations with the
preteen daughter of one of his friends.
MARSHALL: Never heard that. But Thornley would never force anybody to do
anything. Like I said, to him sex should be free; sex, race, age, didn't matter. Even
species. I don't think he was into men, but saw nothing wrong with it. He believed in
Kerista, although he never practiced group marriage and polyfidelity. Anybody who
wanted to do it should be free to do whatever they wanted with anybody who
wanted to do it. (Members of the Kerista Commune of San Francisco practiced
polyfidelity, being fidelitous to many partners.--P.H.)
HILDE: "If it harms none, do as you will." That's the Wiccan rede.
MARSHALL: Thornley would agree.
HILDE: Didn't he spend time with prostitutes?
version of it. (The miniseries began airing on AMC on November 15, 2009.--P.H.)
MARSHALL: Yes, with Ian McKellen as Number Two. That's Discordian, you know.
HILDE: Number 2?
MARSHALL: The main character's Number Six, the individual who fights against
the system, always saying "I'm not a number I'm a free man!" Six is five: 2 plus 3 is
5, 2 times 3 is 6.
HILDE: So it's also the Discordian 23. But isn't that stretching it a bit?
MARSHALL: No. You'll see the Law of Fives wherever you look; that's the point--
but it could have been the Law of 6, 7, 8, whatever. For Heller it was "Catch 22."
McGoohan who made the original series knew about Discordianism and the
Illuminati. There's references throughout. Look for them.
HILDE: I think The Prisoner was named a Discordian saint shortly after the actor's
death.
MARSHALL: Doesn't surprise me. McGoohan would have liked that.
HILDE: There's a Discordian book called the Black Iron Prison that says we're all
prisoners trapped in grey walls and it's up to us to do what we will, but we're still in
a perceptual prison.
MARSHALL: That sounds like negatism, hopelessness--what Thornley and Hill
called "Greyface talk." There's a line in one of the books, maybe Summa
Universalia. People lock up themselves in cages because they're afraid of the real
world and then complain because they don't have any freedom. (The quote is also
in Principia Discordia: “Ye have locked yerselves up in cages of fear--and, behold,
do ye now complain that ye lack FREEDOM!”--P.H.)
HILDE: The BIP's not that way. It says our perception is limited, but we can make
what we can out of it.
MARSHALL: Until you reach your level of incompetence.
HILDE: Pardon?
MARSHALL: That's from a book called The Peter Principle. I think I remember it;
"In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence." It's the
idea that if you do a good job, they promote you. But in modern society you get
promoted into something different than what you got promoted for. You keep
getting promoted until you reach your level of incompetence, then you stop. And
whoever promoted you won't put you back to where you were actually useful
because that would mean admitting they made a mistake promoting you.
HILDE: I'll have to look for that. But let's get back to Thornley.
MARSHALL: Thornley knew the concept without reading the book. That's why he
never got on in business. He wanted to do what he did best, even if it meant writing
in his off time while making a meager living washing dishes. Hierachies weren't
made for people like Thornley. Really they weren't made for anybody. Hill got
along with just about anybody, but didn't make as many friends--or enemies.
Thornley people either loved or hated. Women loved him.
HILDE: Speaking of love, he did tend to be sexually active, right?
MARSHALL: Thornley was into sex, yes. He wasn't a sexoholic, he was like a
hungry man enjoying a smörgåsbord, or maybe a potluck, eat whatever you want
for free. The only thing that bothered him about prostitution was that you had to
pay for it.
HILDE: There's a mention in Adam Gorightly's book The Prankster and the
Conspiracy that Louise Lacey said he'd have sex with a rhino if it would let him.
MARSHALL: I bet he would! (Laughs)
HILDE: But the book also says Thornley tried to engage in sexual relations with the
preteen daughter of one of his friends.
MARSHALL: Never heard that. But Thornley would never force anybody to do
anything. Like I said, to him sex should be free; sex, race, age, didn't matter. Even
species. I don't think he was into men, but saw nothing wrong with it. He believed in
Kerista, although he never practiced group marriage and polyfidelity. Anybody who
wanted to do it should be free to do whatever they wanted with anybody who
wanted to do it. (Members of the Kerista Commune of San Francisco practiced
polyfidelity, being fidelitous to many partners.--P.H.)
HILDE: "If it harms none, do as you will." That's the Wiccan rede.
MARSHALL: Thornley would agree.
HILDE: Didn't he spend time with prostitutes?
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